Comments on: The Changing Face of Community http://jasonmassie.com/archive/2009/01/the-changing-face-of-community/ SQL, Performance, Cloud, Bad Humor Sun, 15 Nov 2009 13:34:01 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: CFRandall http://jasonmassie.com/archive/2009/01/the-changing-face-of-community/comment-page-1/#comment-28 CFRandall Tue, 07 Jul 2009 22:59:56 +0000 http://jasonmassie.com/archive/2009/07/the-changing-face-of-community/#comment-28 oof - the second sentence should read: "I also think (and similarly without stats to back it up) that RSS entries and Twitter are *not* as connected as you say. " oof – the second sentence should read: “I also think (and similarly without stats to back it up) that RSS entries and Twitter are *not* as connected as you say. “

]]> By: CFRandall http://jasonmassie.com/archive/2009/01/the-changing-face-of-community/comment-page-1/#comment-27 CFRandall Tue, 07 Jul 2009 22:58:55 +0000 http://jasonmassie.com/archive/2009/07/the-changing-face-of-community/#comment-27 I don't see it as glue any more than putting your blog address in the footer of your NNTP posts "glued" those two media together. I also think (and similarly without stats to back it up) that RSS entries and Twitter are as connected as you say. Maybe at the bleeding edge where you are, but not for most.<br><br>I think Twitter, RSS/blogs and newsgroups all serve different purposes and accumulate different audiences. That there's integration at all (being able to post links in Tweets, update status from phones, etc) doesn't change that. I don't see it as glue any more than putting your blog address in the footer of your NNTP posts “glued” those two media together. I also think (and similarly without stats to back it up) that RSS entries and Twitter are as connected as you say. Maybe at the bleeding edge where you are, but not for most.

I think Twitter, RSS/blogs and newsgroups all serve different purposes and accumulate different audiences. That there's integration at all (being able to post links in Tweets, update status from phones, etc) doesn't change that.

]]> By: Jason Massie http://jasonmassie.com/archive/2009/01/the-changing-face-of-community/comment-page-1/#comment-26 Jason Massie Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:36:52 +0000 http://jasonmassie.com/archive/2009/07/the-changing-face-of-community/#comment-26 It is not the successor to those but the glue that enables them to be better. I don't have any real stats but I bet about 50% of RSS entries make it to twitter in one way or another and about the same % of FB updates come from twitter.<br>This post wasn't meant to be about twitter. Just the decline of the NNTP traffic and speculation why. I speculated in the original post that most of what you mention has had an effect and twitter amplified it. It is not the successor to those but the glue that enables them to be better. I don't have any real stats but I bet about 50% of RSS entries make it to twitter in one way or another and about the same % of FB updates come from twitter.
This post wasn't meant to be about twitter. Just the decline of the NNTP traffic and speculation why. I speculated in the original post that most of what you mention has had an effect and twitter amplified it.

]]> By: CFRandall http://jasonmassie.com/archive/2009/01/the-changing-face-of-community/comment-page-1/#comment-25 CFRandall Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:24:36 +0000 http://jasonmassie.com/archive/2009/07/the-changing-face-of-community/#comment-25 I think this is an overblown crush on Twitter at the expense of the proven, in this case NNTP. Yes, ATT and other ISPs closing down their NNTP servers will hurt NNTP. But that doesn't make Twitter any kind of replacement for NNTP, let alone any kind of successor to RSS, blogs, search or other social media such as FaceBook.<br><br>Perhaps whatever Twitter evolves into will occupy that space, but certainly not its current incarnation. I think this is an overblown crush on Twitter at the expense of the proven, in this case NNTP. Yes, ATT and other ISPs closing down their NNTP servers will hurt NNTP. But that doesn't make Twitter any kind of replacement for NNTP, let alone any kind of successor to RSS, blogs, search or other social media such as FaceBook.

Perhaps whatever Twitter evolves into will occupy that space, but certainly not its current incarnation.

]]> By: Adam Machanic http://jasonmassie.com/archive/2009/01/the-changing-face-of-community/comment-page-1/#comment-24 Adam Machanic Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:17:48 +0000 http://jasonmassie.com/archive/2009/07/the-changing-face-of-community/#comment-24 As mentioned previously, the Web interfaces suck; no one bothered building one of quality.<br><br>Microsoft newsgroups were and are available from the MS servers, but were also distributed. So yes, this IS going to hurt those groups, because a large percentage of users probably weren't using the MS servers and may not even know that they exist. As mentioned previously, the Web interfaces suck; no one bothered building one of quality.

Microsoft newsgroups were and are available from the MS servers, but were also distributed. So yes, this IS going to hurt those groups, because a large percentage of users probably weren't using the MS servers and may not even know that they exist.

]]> By: Jason Massie http://jasonmassie.com/archive/2009/01/the-changing-face-of-community/comment-page-1/#comment-23 Jason Massie Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:12:53 +0000 http://jasonmassie.com/archive/2009/07/the-changing-face-of-community/#comment-23 Yah, ATT putting the kabosh on usenet is going to cripple it even though there are web interfaces and fee access to MSFT newgroups. Yah, ATT putting the kabosh on usenet is going to cripple it even though there are web interfaces and fee access to MSFT newgroups.

]]> By: Chris http://jasonmassie.com/archive/2009/01/the-changing-face-of-community/comment-page-1/#comment-22 Chris Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:10:22 +0000 http://jasonmassie.com/archive/2009/07/the-changing-face-of-community/#comment-22 Good stats, and it sure makes sense. <br><br>I agree that Twitter is overrated, though some people make better use of it than I want to go to the effort to do. The signal-to-noise ratio is terrible, and while you can get a "realtime survey" that has breadth ("which version(s) of sql server do you use? #sqlsurvey14422") the depth of insight available is trivial - you cannot get information using twitter alone about troubleshooting techniques for deadlocks, or tuning a specific kind of query, or researching a particular error message, or anything else that is context-rich. The problem is that life really is context-rich, and twitter, by design, is only helpful when there is already context.<br><br>Finally, sadly, I have had to bonk small (well, medium-sized) animals, but only when they threatened children. It was self-defense. Good stats, and it sure makes sense.

I agree that Twitter is overrated, though some people make better use of it than I want to go to the effort to do. The signal-to-noise ratio is terrible, and while you can get a “realtime survey” that has breadth (“which version(s) of sql server do you use? #sqlsurvey14422″) the depth of insight available is trivial – you cannot get information using twitter alone about troubleshooting techniques for deadlocks, or tuning a specific kind of query, or researching a particular error message, or anything else that is context-rich. The problem is that life really is context-rich, and twitter, by design, is only helpful when there is already context.

Finally, sadly, I have had to bonk small (well, medium-sized) animals, but only when they threatened children. It was self-defense.

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